From jsailing at netonecom.net Tue Feb 3 12:52:58 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Tue Feb 3 12:53:07 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] cathedral tour Message-ID: <4988847A.6070203@netonecom.net> We took a tour of the Episcopalian cathedral last night. That part was nice for me, I'm such a big fan of gothic architecture. We even went up to the belfry and Amara got to ring the bell. ;) We were told even the Basilica is on automated bell-ringing now, but the Episcopalian cathedral still does it manually. It was funny when I walked up the windy stairs and saw the noose... I thought "Uh... what exactly is that noose for...". We got some other details about other things, and then found out the noose is for ringing the bell. *phew* I guess if it was ever for hanging people FROM the bell, it isn't in this day and age. ;) What a lovely cathedral, though... The claim, which was given in a "I've said this so many times that I believe it" fashion, so by admission it may or may not be true, was that it is the largest gothic building for quite a few states around us (I can't recall the specifics, from the Missouri to... or was that from the Misissippi to... heh, well, a very big western area). The tour guide gave details on all of the artists, and the modifications, and said which bits of decor came from the original cathedral. Some things didn't burn, some things were grabbed and saved during the fire. The Dean of the time apparently ran in there to grab a bunch of the relics and run back out with them, that's some fine dedication. I thought it was kind of funny when he was speaking glowingly of their long association with Temple Emmanuel (Jewish) and then mentioned as an aside "and of course the Roman Catholic cathedral was nearby as well". Yes, I had previously read about the history of the cathedral so I was aware that when the original one burnt down they were hanging out at Temple Emmanuel instead of trying to hang out with the Catholics. And I can imagine that in this day and age the Catholics look down their noses at them, with all of their women and homosexuals and married priests who have marital relations. Though it's also interesting that the Episcopalians aren't looking down their noses at the Jews, with all of their Christlessness. When I was glancing around at the books in the library (they had lots of food and wine and coffee there before the tour), I even saw a Buddhism section. Interesting little library... I may want to find some time to hang out reading there. It was a nice little tour, and they don't object to curious people being there. They seem to be pretty nice folks, and even the Dean/Rector seemed charming and funny (he didn't do the tour, one of the vestry did, some of the Priests were in the library beforehand). He began his speech by almost falling off the chair he was standing on, and laughing that that was after only 2 glasses of wine. Normally I think you need to go for a tour after a Sunday service (last night was a newcomer reception, which they do quarterly) unless you arrange a group tour. They also do a lot of different types of music concerts there, though a lot of it is choral or organ of course. Not all of it, there was a recent fund-raising concert for Amara's art school there. Naturally I was admiring the organ during the tour and excitedly pointing the huge pipes out to Amara... The organist/music director has really long dark hair in a braid, I had been noticing his hair before he was introduced in the library. (Yeah, me and my aesthetic appreciation for striking hair. Even at a cathedral reception, with a bunch of Priests around me, I sit around admiring hair. "I'm gonna eat my food and drink my coffee and stare at peoples' hair.") If I decided to go to the organ concert this Friday I would probably be sitting there thinking "Ooh, ah, stained glass... ooh, ah, gothic arches... ooh, ah, cool relics... ooh, ah, organ music... ooh, ah, striking hair..." And I'll never stop being surprised that I don't burst into flames. ;) -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From ronaldhowerton at comcast.net Tue Feb 3 14:54:45 2009 From: ronaldhowerton at comcast.net (ronaldhowerton@comcast.net) Date: Tue Feb 3 14:54:53 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] cathedral tour In-Reply-To: <4988847A.6070203@netonecom.net> Message-ID: <1382235027.4323921233690885815.JavaMail.root@sz0042a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> I practically grew up in the National Cathedral in DC, where my grandmother taught music and, for a while after her divorce, played dorm mother at the girls' school.? We used to play hide and seek, wander the crypts, and slipprd into places the public couldn't get into.? Peggy and I have been to St. Peter's and St. Patrick's in NYC, the Cathedral of the Plains (in Kansas), two down under, and others I've forgotten about now.? Yet Denver's Cathedral never seems to be open when we happen to be downtown. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jasmine Sailing" To: "CPAOD- Discuss" Sent: Tuesday, February 3, 2009 10:52:58 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] cathedral tour We took a tour of the Episcopalian cathedral last night.? That part was nice for me, I'm such a big fan of gothic architecture. ?We even went up to the belfry and Amara got to ring the bell. ;) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.netonecom.net/pipermail/cpaod-discuss/attachments/20090203/bdcb66c8/attachment.htm From jsailing at netonecom.net Tue Feb 3 19:28:58 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Tue Feb 3 19:29:06 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] cathedral tour In-Reply-To: <28409746.1233691251656.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <28409746.1233691251656.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <4988E14A.8080100@netonecom.net> ronaldhowerton@comcast.net wrote: > > I practically grew up in the National Cathedral in DC, where my > grandmother taught music and, for a while after her divorce, played > dorm mother at the girls' school. We used to play hide and seek, > wander the crypts, and slipprd into places the public couldn't get into. > That would be fun... what was I doing when I was a kid and could get away with that? Ah, wandering around the mountains and hanging off of cliffs. That was fun, too. ;) > Yet Denver's Cathedral never seems to be open when we happen to be > downtown. Try looking at the web site, maybe you'll find a time that works. Tours are nice, though, since you get the details about the artists and such. Since they're at the end of the services on Sundays you would either need to sit through one or try to sneak in toward the end of one. The one I went to ran for about an hour (it was the 11:15am Rite I for stodgy Episcopalians). I want to go to the Wilderness one at 6pm sometime, it's just going to be difficult to manage because of the Go club. Sounds like it would be interesting. Oh, web site: http://www.sjcathedral.org Yikes, just as I was writing this I got email seeking opinions about how the cathedral should look and be in the future. Urk! Keep the gothic look! Or make it a grander gothic look like European ones. ;) (Ah, PS, so no one goes looking for hair on Friday... I was just joking about all of my aesthetic fixations. The person doing a concert that night is a woman who doesn't have particularly impressive hair. At least not by my standards of hair interest, heh. I do love organs... my granddad played both organ and bagpipes. We had his organ at the house in the mountains for a long time.) -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From jsailing at netonecom.net Tue Feb 3 21:43:17 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Tue Feb 3 21:43:38 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] cathedral tour In-Reply-To: <26373776.1233707713773.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <28409746.1233691251656.JavaMail.root@m03> <26373776.1233707713773.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <498900C5.8030902@netonecom.net> Jasmine Sailing wrote: > Keep the gothic look! Or make it a grander gothic look like > European ones. ;) Ok, sorry, I recommend adding gargoyles. Gargoyles should be mandatory. It's not just me, I also heard someone else talking about gargoyles on the tour yesterday. It occurred to me that Bruce and I were the boring sober heterosexual couple amongst the drunk gay Episcopalians. ;) There really should be something wrong with that picture... I was looking through the info, and saying "Gee, if we were Episcopalians we could send Amara on a ski/sled trip and get help with child care and all kinds of great stuff. But then we couldn't do other stuff... oh, wait, we're married! Why didn't we become Episcopalians when we got married? I guess we needed to get Death Equinox out of the way first..." (Could've hardly remembered enough of it to confess it, after all.) Then came the debate. Bruce said I could go try being an Episcopalian. I told him he should, because he's baptized. He said I could get baptized. I said I can't, because I suffer from a lack of genuine belief that Christ was the son of God. "That would cut you out of most Christian religions." "I think that would pretty well count me out of ALL Christian religions..." Eventually I said "Amara can be an Episcopalian. Wait, she's not married yet. ... On second thought, Amara can be an Episcopalian!" ;) We'll be the heathen parents who tag along with their pious teenage girl. Sounds good to me. Eh, unfortunately it's not like I would push a religion on her. I expect we'll be taking her around to see a Unitarian church and Buddhists and to Witche's Brew or whatever so she can meet druids and wiccans and other neo-pagans and such. Then I'll take her up to the mountains, because that's where I always really felt power. -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From jsailing at netonecom.net Wed Feb 4 01:21:47 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Wed Feb 4 01:21:55 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Free LSD! Message-ID: <498933FB.8020709@netonecom.net> Hotel sign, 3rd one down at the moment. http://failblog.org/page/2/ I can picture all of the poor innocent people parked or standing half a block away from the hotel, thinking "Is it a set-up? It has to be a set-up... how could they just advertise it if isn't... but what if there's some slim chance it isn't... GAH!!!! Who do I hate who is stupid to go up and try to get it?". -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From jsailing at netonecom.net Thu Feb 5 11:38:16 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Thu Feb 5 11:38:25 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Apostate St. Young Message-ID: <498B15F8.9030008@netonecom.net> I think I finally know why I spend so much time saying St. Young really needs a Virgin Bride ceremony and a good ol' Sacred Axe to his beard. The guy is a natural born Apostate. Yesterday I was off on one of my usual evangelical tirades along the lines of "The Roman Catholic Church has the most sins to repent for, and as slow as Catholic politics are they'll take another 1000 years to get around to it, which is why it's nice to see off-shoots like the Episcopalians trying to take up some of the slack while they sit around debating it". Bruce, I suppose, defended them a little by pointing out that they only took 500 years to get around to admitting they were wrong when they persecuted Galileo. Ok, so not quite everything takes 1000 years with them. ;) (Some things take 3000!) Well, I'm an evangelizing Cnidarian. One expects me to have chronic fits of ranting about such things. I can get pretty high and mighty about all of these Damn Sinners sometimes. St. Young is at times an evangelizing Cnidarian, if not half as Holier Than Thou as I am, so it's no surprise that he has often spoken damningly of the Catholic Church. So... Recall that part of this excursion of late stemmed from Amara watching the Exorcist movies and wanting to see a Priest. I hastily decided I was taking her to the Episcopalian cathedral because I didn't want my daughter to be contaminated by Catholics. Then I found out that St. Young's father was an Episcopalian, and his mother was a Catholic. Last night he called his father to try to ask about some trivia (Episcopalian, unfortunately he'd only been to small churches though and wasn't versed with the grand processions of cathedrals) and wound up telling him a lot of trivia. Then it occurred to me to ask "Were you baptized as an Episcopalian, or as a Catholic?". So he asked. St. Young is... a Catholic. Apparently the deal with his Mom's family was that if she was going to marry an icky Episcopalian, their first born son needed to be baptized Catholic. And he's the first born heir to Catholicism... good thing there is no royal lineage going on here. As he carried on his conversation I said "Wow, all of these years I had no idea I was married to a Catholic... ... Hey, you really are an Apostate!". Afterward he tried to claim to be a heathen, and I said "No, you're an Apostate. You've spoken against the Catholic Church plenty of times. All of those times you said 'I just slipped another rung on the ladder to Hell' you weren't joking! You accepted the kingdom of God and committed yourself to going to Heaven or Hell! You'd better hie your ass off to a Church and start confessing fast!". St. Young, snivelling about going to Hell, protested "But I was just an infant! It was against my will!". I said if only we'd known while we were at the meeting he could have gone to one of the Episcopalian Priests and said "Please help me, I'm Catholic!". Then I pointed out that he could tell them "I swear if I'd been given the choice of being baptized as a Catholic or an Episcopalian as an infant, I would've chosen Episcopalian!". He wondered if he should call his Mom and ask "Why, Mom, why did you make me a Catholic? Does this mean I'm going to Hell?". Then Amara came out and I broke it to her that her Dad is a Catholic. Since he lives with a female wife, a female daughter, and a female cat, I pointed out that not only is it a sin to be homosexual if you're Catholic (which St. Young still claims he isn't, but maybe he'll come around)... women are responsible for the Original Sin and therefore can't ever possibly be holy enough to be Priests. (Better than being a Jehovah's Witness, at least, since Catholic women have a good shot at redemption. I don't know why Jehovah's Witness women even try, they're all just plain screwed as far as I can tell.) He told her the criteria for being a Catholic Priest is having a penis. Yeah, they just keep on making new crueler levels of Hell for him... Then he got to be High and Mighty about being the only individual in the house who has a penis, but we'll see how High and Mighty his penis feels in Hell. His almighty penis can go jack off into a sock for all I care, as a Cnidarian I was always several times Higher than our official Chaperon! Poor St. Young. A Catholic Apostate, AND a Cnidarian slacker. No wonder he wants to go to a Unitarian church, where the best of the flock have no real conviction about anything. I'm not so sure they would be particularly impressed with his penis there, but I suppose that's one of those trade-offs in life. (Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no Apostate. I may have been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice man-made things. This seems appropriate in this day and age, when man-made things have overly consumed so much of nature.) -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From stvj at suddenlink.net Thu Feb 5 12:06:03 2009 From: stvj at suddenlink.net (stvj) Date: Thu Feb 5 12:06:16 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Apostate St. Young In-Reply-To: <498B15F8.9030008@netonecom.net> References: <498B15F8.9030008@netonecom.net> Message-ID: <2556A2AEBEC94CFBB2125CCBC69C46AE@stvjPC> All of this talk about Catholicism reminds me of the time two young hillbilly Arkie rubes attended the Catholic wedding of their 5th grade english teacher. Neither had ever been in a Catholic (or anything other than Baptist and/or the even more fundamental) church before and upon entering they saw the large altar at the end of the room. Mistaking the alter for a casket of some sort, one rube turned to the other and said "Let's get out of here, this is a funeral". ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jasmine Sailing" To: "CPAOD- Discuss" Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:38 AM Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Apostate St. Young > Poor St. Young. A Catholic Apostate, AND a Cnidarian slacker. From mont.segur at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 23:08:45 2009 From: mont.segur at yahoo.com (Montsegur) Date: Thu Feb 5 23:08:52 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Apostate St. Young In-Reply-To: <498B15F8.9030008@netonecom.net> Message-ID: <260495.41503.qm@web58805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Amen. Jasmine said: (Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no Apostate. I may have been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice man-made things. This seems appropriate in this day and age, when man-made things have overly consumed so much of nature.) --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Jasmine Sailing wrote: > From: Jasmine Sailing > Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Apostate St. Young > To: "CPAOD- Discuss" > Date: Thursday, February 5, 2009, 8:38 AM > I think I finally know why I spend so much time saying St. > Young really needs a Virgin Bride ceremony and a good > ol' > Sacred Axe to his beard. > > The guy is a natural born Apostate. > > Yesterday I was off on one of my usual evangelical tirades > along the lines of "The Roman Catholic Church has the > most > sins to repent for, and as slow as Catholic politics are > they'll take another 1000 years to get around to it, > which > is why it's nice to see off-shoots like the > Episcopalians > trying to take up some of the slack while they sit around > debating it". Bruce, I suppose, defended them a > little by > pointing out that they only took 500 years to get around to > admitting they were wrong when they persecuted Galileo. > Ok, > so not quite everything takes 1000 years with them. ;) > > (Some things take 3000!) > > Well, I'm an evangelizing Cnidarian. One expects me to > have > chronic fits of ranting about such things. I can get > pretty > high and mighty about all of these Damn Sinners sometimes. > > St. Young is at times an evangelizing Cnidarian, if not > half > as Holier Than Thou as I am, so it's no surprise that > he has > often spoken damningly of the Catholic Church. > > So... Recall that part of this excursion of late stemmed > from > Amara watching the Exorcist movies and wanting to see a > Priest. > I hastily decided I was taking her to the Episcopalian > cathedral > because I didn't want my daughter to be contaminated by > Catholics. > Then I found out that St. Young's father was an > Episcopalian, and > his mother was a Catholic. > > Last night he called his father to try to ask about some > trivia > (Episcopalian, unfortunately he'd only been to small > churches > though and wasn't versed with the grand processions of > cathedrals) > and wound up telling him a lot of trivia. Then it occurred > to me > to ask "Were you baptized as an Episcopalian, or as a > Catholic?". > So he asked. > > St. Young is... a Catholic. Apparently the deal with his > Mom's > family was that if she was going to marry an icky > Episcopalian, > their first born son needed to be baptized Catholic. And > he's > the first born heir to Catholicism... good thing there is > no > royal lineage going on here. As he carried on his > conversation > I said "Wow, all of these years I had no idea I was > married to > a Catholic... ... Hey, you really are an Apostate!". > > Afterward he tried to claim to be a heathen, and I said > "No, > you're an Apostate. You've spoken against the > Catholic Church > plenty of times. All of those times you said 'I just > slipped > another rung on the ladder to Hell' you weren't > joking! You > accepted the kingdom of God and committed yourself to going > to > Heaven or Hell! You'd better hie your ass off to a > Church and > start confessing fast!". > > St. Young, snivelling about going to Hell, protested > "But I was > just an infant! It was against my will!". > > I said if only we'd known while we were at the meeting > he could > have gone to one of the Episcopalian Priests and said > "Please > help me, I'm Catholic!". Then I pointed out that > he could tell > them "I swear if I'd been given the choice of > being baptized as > a Catholic or an Episcopalian as an infant, I would've > chosen > Episcopalian!". > > He wondered if he should call his Mom and ask "Why, > Mom, why > did you make me a Catholic? Does this mean I'm going > to Hell?". > > Then Amara came out and I broke it to her that her Dad is a > Catholic. Since he lives with a female wife, a female > daughter, > and a female cat, I pointed out that not only is it a sin > to be > homosexual if you're Catholic (which St. Young still > claims he > isn't, but maybe he'll come around)... women are > responsible > for the Original Sin and therefore can't ever possibly > be holy > enough to be Priests. (Better than being a Jehovah's > Witness, > at least, since Catholic women have a good shot at > redemption. > I don't know why Jehovah's Witness women even try, > they're all > just plain screwed as far as I can tell.) He told her the > criteria for being a Catholic Priest is having a penis. > Yeah, > they just keep on making new crueler levels of Hell for > him... > > Then he got to be High and Mighty about being the only > individual > in the house who has a penis, but we'll see how High > and Mighty > his penis feels in Hell. His almighty penis can go jack > off into > a sock for all I care, as a Cnidarian I was always several > times > Higher than our official Chaperon! > > Poor St. Young. A Catholic Apostate, AND a Cnidarian > slacker. > No wonder he wants to go to a Unitarian church, where the > best > of the flock have no real conviction about anything. > I'm not > so sure they would be particularly impressed with his penis > there, but I suppose that's one of those trade-offs in > life. > > (Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no Apostate. I > may have > been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice man-made > things. > This seems appropriate in this day and age, when man-made > things > have overly consumed so much of nature.) > > -- > Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament > Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado > http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo > Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! > Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Cpaod-discuss mailing list > Cpaod-discuss@mailman.netonecom.net > http://lists.netonecom.net/mailman/listinfo/cpaod-discuss From jsailing at netonecom.net Fri Feb 6 11:42:41 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Fri Feb 6 11:42:50 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Apostate St. Young In-Reply-To: <20392923.1233853863353.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <498B15F8.9030008@netonecom.net> <20392923.1233853863353.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <498C6881.2020205@netonecom.net> stvj wrote: > Mistaking the alter for a casket of some sort, one rube turned to the > other and said "Let's get out of here, this is a funeral". I first went to this cathedral (Episcopalian) for a funeral many years ago, and was really confused by all of the pomp and ceremony (I'd really only been in plain Churches with a minister and not much else, at least that I'd remembered, before). There's all these processions and idolatry, particularly big there because it is the cathedral (aka the Bishop of Colorado is there)... and I had no idea what I was supposed to be doing at any point. My Mom was with me and helped me out. I asked her if it was a Catholic church. Close, but fortunately not quite. ;) That was the time I did Communion without realizing you aren't supposed to do that if you aren't baptized. Heck, that was when I found out I wasn't baptized. I asked my Mom if I was supposed to do Communion, or stay in my seat. I really loved the person the funeral was for, I wanted to be very respectful, but I was completely clueless. Mom said I could go to Communion, but she also said she'd often regretted not having me baptized. Which has left me wondering, since I found out you need to be baptized for Communion, if she really didn't know... or if she did know and was embarrassed to have the clueless unbaptized daughter and didn't want to be seen standing out too much with me. Eventually I looked at the FAQ for official US Episcopal HQ and realized I had boo-booed. I thought "But, but, I even asked specifically because I was trying really hard not to be at all sacrilegious..." Episcopal churches tend to do what they want, and rumour has it that the Colorado diocese is the most liberal in the country. I know they are very Open Door at that cathedral (absolutely anyone is welcome), so I keep meaning to ask how much of a mistake that was. At least for my Mom's sake. I haven't yet, because I'm afraid the answer would be "You need to get baptized to make up for that", which I can't do... not without being insincere and knowingly sacrilegious. All of the fear of heresy and confusion and insecurity and utter cluelessness I was struggling with at that funeral was what what I wrote about in my "Guilty Assimilation into the Vampire Cannibal Cult" article in Morbid Curiosity. Though I doubt I admitted in that exactly HOW fearful I really was (I think I was a little brief and light about the article, I can't remember it well, I should read it). Had I known in advance that it was an Episcopalian church, had I known it was a liberal one, had I known at the time that I have Episcopalian friends (or that my closest friend was a choir boy at that specific cathedral!), I probably could've gotten through it better. But my Mom with me to help me, and she was raised in the Oklahoma Church of God with a very strictly religious Mom and was often afraid I was into devil worship... So, oh well. She directed me well on everything else, I'm just left with wondering if my godless ways scared and embarrassed her into misdirecting me on the Communion part. ={ I didn't realize at the time of writing my article that I'd blown it on that one. The bright side is that, with all of my fear of being stricken down for entering a Church, that was part of what starting cluing me in that perhaps I was worrying a wee bit too much. (Well, years later, when I found out I shouldn't have done that Communion... but still survived it anyway.) My mixed childhood seems to have down some funny things to my head. Used to be that even walking past churches I would be looking up at them asking if it was okay for me to be in the vicinity. I remember looking wistfully up at a big pretty old stone one that I walked past whenever I brought Amara home from ECE and kindergarten, kind of cringing my way around it and wishing there was some way I could go inside. Yep, I had some serious fear put into me... But that's why I'm now acting like an excited kid about being able to walk into a cathedral and take tours and such. I tell ya, you gotta be careful what ideas you put into a kid's schizoid brain. ;) I think between trying to let me make my own choices, and fearing for my soul, and maybe asking a few too many times if this or that was devil worship, my Mom managed to get it into my head that I was some kind of demon child who couldn't set foot in churches... I know that wasn't her intention, it was simply how it worked out. Outside of churches it was okay to be some kind of demon child, just not IN them. ;) -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From jsailing at netonecom.net Fri Feb 6 12:08:30 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Fri Feb 6 12:08:48 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Pagan Heathen Sacrifice In-Reply-To: <22045659.1233893489766.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <22045659.1233893489766.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <498C6E8E.7030804@netonecom.net> Montsegur wrote: > Amen. You made me wonder if that quote would make a good addition to my rather large sig collection, so I'm testing it out. I'll just need to be careful (as with most of my sigs) to avoid sending it to the wrong people... sending this one to my Mom's sisters would be a big cringy OOPS. -- @ Jasmine Sailing @ The Blasted One @ jsailing@netonecom.net @ @ Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no Apostate. I may have been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice man-made things. This seems appropriate in this day and age, when man-made things have overly consumed so much of nature. @ @ http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/jsailing @ From mont.segur at yahoo.com Fri Feb 6 13:27:31 2009 From: mont.segur at yahoo.com (Montsegur) Date: Fri Feb 6 13:27:49 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Pagan Heathen Sacrifice In-Reply-To: <498C6E8E.7030804@netonecom.net> Message-ID: <975199.79795.qm@web58805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> It works as a sig. I like it. --- On Fri, 2/6/09, Jasmine Sailing wrote: > From: Jasmine Sailing > Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Pagan Heathen Sacrifice > To: "Discussion About CP-ish Topics" > Date: Friday, February 6, 2009, 9:08 AM > Montsegur wrote: > > Amen. > > You made me wonder if that quote would make a good addition > to > my rather large sig collection, so I'm testing it out. > > I'll just need to be careful (as with most of my sigs) > to avoid > sending it to the wrong people... sending this one to my > Mom's > sisters would be a big cringy OOPS. > > -- > @ Jasmine Sailing @ The Blasted One @ > jsailing@netonecom.net @ > @ Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no > Apostate. I may > have been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice > man-made > things. This seems appropriate in this day and age, > when > man-made things have overly consumed so much of nature. > @ > @ http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/jsailing @ > > > _______________________________________________ > Cpaod-discuss mailing list > Cpaod-discuss@mailman.netonecom.net > http://lists.netonecom.net/mailman/listinfo/cpaod-discuss From jsailing at netonecom.net Fri Feb 6 19:05:39 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Fri Feb 6 19:05:49 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] New Cnidarian Ct. Approved Message-ID: <498CD053.5060003@netonecom.net> There was an official, confidential, meeting between myself and Dr. Cr*pman today. Amidst my recounting of plans for church structure and politics, including a discussion of future sacrifice celebrations wherein the need for new Sacred Objects of Destruction may be necessary, which naturally led to plans for the Sacred Flamethrower, and it is probably now on the Church to-do list to find a junkyard we can obtain permission to use a small part of, etc etc, we also discussed whether Peggy was ready to become a Ct. She has been to all Cnidarian Sermons since 1999, and has also been involved in private Cnidarian ritual. All other aspects of her service are currently censored and confidential. After the meeting we were sitting in my back yard, and lo and behold... Peggy walked into the backyard, carefully stepping around my gardens, and presented to me a rubber Jellyfish icon. She said "This is for you". I became starry-eyed and noted that it is unlike any of my other rubber Jellyfish icons. Even if we discount her sterling record, which I'm sure we would only do if we personally disliked her and that is not at all the case, I do believe this was a sign from the Great Jellyfish above. I am not one to ignore such obvious signs. I'm not above noting bribes of rubber Jellyfish icons, either. Henceforth, Peggy is approved as a Ct. She may take a name and walk among us when she so chooses. -- @ Jasmine Sailing @ The Blasted One @ jsailing@netonecom.net @ @ Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no Apostate. I may have been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice man-made things. This seems appropriate in this day and age, when man-made things have overly consumed so much of nature. @ @ http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/jsailing @ From jsailing at netonecom.net Mon Feb 9 16:49:52 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Mon Feb 9 16:49:59 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] 1st US case of Marburg in Colorado Message-ID: <4990A500.3000900@netonecom.net> See if we all start twitching a little about our aches and fevers now. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5icwnbejl-iJTMsx_JWAIgMXlweOAD9671DF00 -- @ Jasmine Sailing @ The Blasted One @ jsailing@netonecom.net @ @ Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no Apostate. I may have been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice man-made things. This seems appropriate in this day and age, when man-made things have overly consumed so much of nature. @ @ http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/jsailing @ From mont.segur at yahoo.com Mon Feb 9 23:54:53 2009 From: mont.segur at yahoo.com (Montsegur) Date: Mon Feb 9 23:55:00 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] 1st US case of Marburg in Colorado In-Reply-To: <4990A500.3000900@netonecom.net> Message-ID: <298653.43870.qm@web58801.mail.re1.yahoo.com> No kidding. Time to re-read "The Hot Zone". --- On Mon, 2/9/09, Jasmine Sailing wrote: > From: Jasmine Sailing > Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] 1st US case of Marburg in Colorado > To: "CPAOD- Discuss" > Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 1:49 PM > See if we all start twitching a little about our aches and > fevers now. > > http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5icwnbejl-iJTMsx_JWAIgMXlweOAD9671DF00 > > -- > @ Jasmine Sailing @ The Blasted One @ > jsailing@netonecom.net @ > @ Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no > Apostate. I may > have been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice > man-made > things. This seems appropriate in this day and age, > when > man-made things have overly consumed so much of nature. > @ > @ http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/jsailing @ > > > _______________________________________________ > Cpaod-discuss mailing list > Cpaod-discuss@mailman.netonecom.net > http://lists.netonecom.net/mailman/listinfo/cpaod-discuss From jsailing at netonecom.net Wed Feb 11 12:09:26 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Wed Feb 11 12:10:02 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] [Fwd: Jasmine, Bad News: I have cancer. Yes, there's something you can do to help me deal with it.] Message-ID: <49930646.9040908@netonecom.net> Hi, hi. Probably looks weird forwarding this around... I sent some Tikkun posts out to my mailing list (whichever versions of it, it's been so many versions) years ago... probably mostly during the 1st 4 years of Bush. I always loved their views of middle east things, especially during all of the black and white anti-war pro-war pro or anti Israel or Palestine, etc etc etc, times. At the least I talked about that a lot with Gordon, and he's had their web site bookmarked for years too as a result. I never had the foggiest idea how I wound up on their mailing list. Maybe I did something where I didn't notice a checkbox for a list, maybe someone thought it was funny to sign a heathen like me up for a Jewish mailing list, maybe someone thought a heathen like me needed to be signed up for one... Who knows. I wasn't the only accidental subscription, and I suppose more uppity people than me complained. So a few years ago they had everyone write to specifically say they were intentionally on the list, and anyone who didn't do so was purged. I wrote to say I wasn't intentionally on the mailing list, but it was one of my absolute favourite mailing lists and I wanted to stay on. ;) After all of these years of Tikkun looking like a nice rare voice of sanity in my mailbox, I was really sad when I saw this last night. Still am. ={ I read it all the way through last night, and then I wandered over to post on the blog this morning. I'll be trying to send happy thoughts his way while he gets surgery tomorrow. There are some mentions of donations in here, which would make anyone's skin reflexively crawl... Don't worry, they were never like that. It was easy for me to see his mindset all of the way through this, because it's something that runs through my own mind constantly. It's the thought of "I put so much work into all of this, but I could die and it could just collapse". Which, I guess, is why my heart really goes out to him on this one. When I had my own over-loaded health collapse, everything did pretty much just fall apart on me and I'm still in the process of figuring out which pieces I can pick back up. But at least I can try again, and I'm very grateful for that. I suppose it's one of those inevitable quandaries in life that people who care too much and take on too much need to face at some point. He was doing a lot of good things as the main voice of Tikkun and NSP (Network of Spiritual Progressives). I can't claim to agree with ALL of it (I am obviously a cynical person), but I can claim to appreciate all of it... and agree with a goodly chunk of it. ;) So I hope he pulls through the treatment, takes enough pressure off of himself, and gets enough support to keep it all going. Hopefully it's not too late for another attempt at "Hey, check out Tikkun if you want some refreshing views on the world and politics and especially middle east situations", but at least try to send some good thoughts his way because he does indeed deserve it. Don't worry... he's a Rabbi, but he's open-minded and not opposed to good thoughts from ungodly heathens. ;) *sigh* This is long, but if you feel like reading it you'll get a small view of the political and philosophical views. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Jasmine, Bad News: I have cancer. Yes, there's something you can do to help me deal with it. Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:17:45 -0500 (EST) From: Rabbi Lerner Reply-To: rabbilerner@tikkun.org To: jsailing@netonecom.net Tikkun to heal, repair and transform the world *A note from Rabbi Michael Lerner** * Join or Donate Now! Dear Jasmine I have cancer ? and yes, you can help me deal with it. In late January the results of a biopsy showed that I have a relatively rare form of lung cancer (I've never smoked). The doctors believe that this cancer may be "stage one" and hence could be treated through surgery, and I might be able to avoid chemotherapy or radiation treatment. So even though it is cancer, it is not necessarily a death sentence! We'll know more after the operation to remove part of my lung takes place, and then they get the results of the next biopsy. I'll post updated information in the "Rabbi Lerner" section of www.tikkun.org, so you can go there if you want to know how I'm doing. Easiest is to just paste the following u.r.l. into your web brower: http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/525/t/8751/blog/index.jsp?blog_KEY=570 You can also post a personal message for me there (for business messages, please send emails to will@tikkun.org; during my recovery period I will probably check the website but not my personal email). Surgery is scheduled for Thursday, February 12, and I'll be in University of California MedicalCenter till Monday the 16th, and then recovering at home for at least a month or so. People have started to ask if they can help me in some way. Well, yes, there IS something you can do that would be very helpful. The first thing you can do is to pray for me, or if prayer is not your thing, you can use meditation, song, poetry, words, or actions to communicates to the universe your desire to support my recovery! The next thing you can do is to support me in my efforts to make this health challenge an opportunity for deep inner growth, opening up higher levels of understanding not only through my head but also through my heart, so that I can be more fully aligned with the struggles and suffering on this planet, and more fully able to contribute at the deepest levels to the healing that is so badly needed everywhere, including in myself. Let me explain how you could give me that support. My doctors believe that the stress levels in my life are too high, in part because of being over-stretched as rabbi of Beyt Tikkun synagogue, editor of Tikkun magazine, and chair of the Network of Spiritual Progressives. So, I think I need to ask your help in reducing the amount of work and worry I have in keeping the network alive. The solution is to get much more help in running the Network of Spiritual Progressives (NSP). Those tasks have fallen largely on my shoulders, particularly after the growing financial crisis and consequent reduction in funds from memberships forced us to reduce the NSP's staff size to one (me). I can't do this without much more help from you. I'd be delighted if you decided to help me renew and rebuild the NSP with your ideas and energy. I'm particularly excited about anything you'd be willing to do to exert leadership in your own sphere (e.g. in your professional community, church, synagogue, mosque, or ashram) that doesn't require time and involvement from the tiny staff at Tikkun/NSP or from me. Too often I get letters saying, "Rabbi Lerner, why don't you do x, y, or z?" The ideas are often terrific, but my capacities are limited. But anything YOU can do-please do it! Make it happen-you hereby have my permission (the only restriction: that you do it in a kind, gentle, generous, loving, and compassionate way). In case you'd like some specific ideas, I'm presenting loads of specifics here. But let me also be clear that you are already doing enough if you are a paid-up member of the Network of Spiritual Progressives, because that, in and of itself, makes a huge difference. It's also appreciated if you are making donations at the highest level you possibly can afford. (If you forgot to renew, or if you would like to donate, you can do so now at www.spiritualprogressives.org.) And, yes, it would be even more terrific if you decided to donate even more (all tax deductible, of course) or if you consciously committed to one of more of the specific tasks below. 1. Help me spread the basic ideas of the NSP everywhere-to your friends, to your church, synagogue, mosque, or ashram, and to your coworkers or professional colleagues. Perhaps you are already doing that and could figure out a more systematic way to do this every day, or three days a week, or once a week. Or perhaps you could write me and tell me how you are already doing this, so that I know what you are doing and hence can build up my own certainty that we have a nascent movement growing. But what do I mean by our basic ideas? Skip the rest of point one and go to point two if you already feel you know this so well you could put it to music and sing it while you are sleeping! :-) : ) A. We need a New Bottom Line such that institutions, corporations, social practices, our educational system, our legal system, and even our personal behaviors are judged efficient, rational, and productive, not only to the extent that they maximize material well-being, but also to the extent that they maximize love and generosity, kindness and caring for others, ethical and ecological sensitivity, and to the extent that they enhance our capacities to respond to the universe with awe, wonder, and radical amazement at the grandeur of creation. B. The war on terrorism is not going to work. War and domination as instruments of homeland security are the wrong strategies. It is through caring for and generosity toward others that we can most successfully provide security for our families, our country, and ourselves. People in most countries may not yet be ready to give up their militaries, but we may be able to convince them that each nation's military should stay inside the borders of its own country, and that every dollar spent on the military should be matched by another dollar to fund our alternative for homeland security: the Strategy of Generosity. We seek to achieve homeland security through overt caring about the well-being of everyone else on the planet. Our plan for a Domestic and Global Marshall Plan is a specific way to achieve this goal. C. The goal of liberals and progressives should not only be equality of material circumstances, but the creation of a global society in which love and generosity, ecological sensitivity, and awe and wonder at the universe permeate all human relations and determine our social priorities. It is this-not how many computers, cell phones, or other new technologies get produced-that is what we mean by progress. Saving the environment globally requires a shift to this concept of well-being and progress. This is what our schools must teach and what our corporations and legal system must embody. Only an economy organized around those principles will be practical in terms of global survival. D. We build for these goals in ways that avoid demeaning those with whom we disagree, but instead recognize that they too are created in the image of God. But we do not let our insistence that they are created in the image of God impede us from throwing our full energy into removing them from positions of power, overturning their economic system, or putting them in prison when they have violated basic human rights. (We could start there with the enablers of torture in the Bush administration.) Respect for the other is consistent with nonviolently resisting negative policies with all our strength, thereby rejecting the kind of nonjudgmental, nonconfrontational, "who am I to judge others or call others' policies evil?" kind of moral relativism that sometimes permeates New Age spirituality. We need a spiritual politics in which we encourage forgiveness and compassion, but not moral relativism or the inability to struggle to replace systems of domination. And simultaneously, our task is to speak to the part of every human being that really does want a new kind of world. We need to help each other overcome the fear that our desires are unrealistic or utopian, when in fact what is utopian is imagining that the planet is going to survive without a drastic and fundamental new orientation toward activities considered "efficient and productive." E. We recognize that even in those with whom we disagree, or in those who are deeply cynical, there is a part that yearns for a different reality, wants real loving community, and values generosity and caring. It is actually these decent and good desires that lead them to seek "communities of meaning and purpose" of any sort they can find-which often turn out to be ultra-nationalist or fundamentalist religious communities. Our task is to uncover and help reconnect people to the legitimate part of their need structure that is not fulfilled in contemporary capitalist societies, and to help them find a different and more loving way to fulfill those needs. F. We refuse to accept global capitalism as the ultimate and only possible economic arrangement, but we also reject bureaucratic socialist solutions. Instead we insist on the possibility of building a new global economy that seeks to promote our New Bottom Line. For that reason, we also question "solutions" to the current economic crisis that assume the current economic system to be unchangeable and only seek to bolster and rebuild it. We are not advocates for repair of a system based on values that privilege materialism, selfishness, and the interests of the powerful, whether that system calls itself capitalism, socialism, democracy, or some kind of religious society. What counts for us is this simple question: when it comes down to the decisions being made on a day-to-day basis, how much do the values of the New Bottom Line determine the outcome? There is enough for everyone on this planet, and we can build an economic reality that shares what we have and also preserves the planet from needless exploitation to create unnecessary consumer goods. It's a real tragedy that the Obama administration isn't using this moment to do just that, rather than what it is trying--to give mouth-to-mouth resusciation to a system that is morally and economically flawed (and to do so by trying to accommodate the very forces within the Republican Party and the Clintonite "free marketeers" whose worldview brought us this mess in the first place). But of course the issues go way beyond the mistakes of the moment--to a need for a fundamental challenge to rethink the assumptions of our economic life that have encouraged the "looking out for number one" consciousness so deeply ingrained in the thinking of elites and ordinary citizens around the world, a way of thinking that paralyzes and demoralizes us as individuals and that has led to policies that are quite literally destroying the life-support systems of the planet. I know you agree with some or all of these ideas. What I don't know is whether you are yet willing to be a recruiter of others (in your sphere of family, friends, coworkers, professional organizaitons, religious or communal organizations) for these ideas and for joining NSP to be a dues-paying member and part of an actual movement seeking to take these ideas into the public arena. If you are, I'll feel a lot less alone. 2. Help me build a campaign for the Domestic and Global Marshall Plan-to have all of the advanced industrial countries dedicate between 1 percent and 2 percent of Gross Domestic Product each year for the next twenty years to end global and domestic poverty, homelessness, hunger, inadequate education, and inadequate health care, as well as to repair the global environment. Last year we had a congressional resolution introduced to support our plan, but it never got out of committee. In these next two years, you could help by getting your local city council, your state legislature, and your congressional representatives and senators to endorse the resolution. That way we can get serious attention from the Obama administration. And you could get endorsements of the Generosity Strategy and the core idea of the Global Marshall Plan (GMP) from your local churches, synagogues, mosques, civic organizations, professional organizations, etc.-even though they are nonprofits, they are legally allowed to back the core ideas and pass a resolution saying so! I don't expect you to do this all by yourself. You could get a group of people to work with you. How to create such a group? Get a time and place, and then contact every media agency and every religious, political, civic, and charitable organization in your town and invite them to come to this first meeting. If you set it up, we can a) give you names and addresses of people in your area who might be happy to receive a postcard from you telling them that you are organizing this process, b) send you a short video to introduce the topic to your gathering, and c) send you our brochures on the GMP. 3. National leadership. If you are someone with talent and experience as a leader or major organizer for a national organization or social change movement, or a dynamite fund-raiser, or a person with fantastic contacts in the media or with oodles of access to political leaders, and you feel fully on board with Tikkun and the Network of Spiritual Progressives' approach, write a letter to will@tikkun.org introducing yourself, describing what you would like to bring to the Tikkun Community, and what kind of a leadership role you'd like to play. If you have the talent, but haven't used it yet in a way that has demonstrated past "wins," do that first on the local level where you live by organizing something for us, and then after that has happened, send an email to will@tikkun.org. If you are a clergy person currently serving a church, synagogue, mosque, or ashram, please join our Clergy Advisory Board. 4. Special Talents. If you know how to use the web effectively, use it to get NSP and Tikkun better known, especially to younger people. If you are a filmmaker or videographer, make a film or video about NSP/Tikkun or the Global Marshall Plan. Or help us make a "training film" for people who want to become activists but need some help. If you are a writer, approach media to pitch a story about Tikkun, about the campaign for a Global Marshall Plan, about the campaign to support Obama to be the Obama we voted for, or about our unique approach to Middle East peace. If you are a grant-writer with lots of creativity, write a grant to help us get funded (read our websites thoroughly and come up with your own funding ideas and how you'd present them, then write for approval to will@tikkun.org)-either to a foundation or to a corporation that does corporate giving. If you are a songwriter, write a Tikkun- or NSP- or Global Marshall Plan-related song. If you are an artist, develop art for use on our website or in Tikkun. If you fluently speak and write a language other than English, translate our Global Marshall Plan and other key documents from the Tikkun and NSP websites into your language. Then we can create a website in that language so that more people can learn about the Tikkun and NSP perspectives. It would be terrific to have websites in Chinese, French, Spanish, Italian, German, Russian, Arabic, Hebrew, or any other language. 5. Come to our national conference April 29-May 2 in Washington, D.C. It's about Supporting Obama to BE the Obama we Voted For (not the Obama who is seeking to double our forces in Afghanistan, has an economic recovery program that does little for the homeowners who have lost their homes or will soon do so and which gives hundreds of billions to the banks and financial institutions, and who has surrounded himself with the same kind of Center-Right advisors that seem more inclined to follow the ideological leadership of the neo-cons than to respond to the peace, environmental and social-justice-inclined movements that made Obama's candidacy a reality). It will be an important event, if you are there to help us make it so. If the operation goes well, I should be able to be there, even though in a greatly reduced role. I want to meet face-to-face with people who could help take over the NSP and reduce my load within it. There will be four foci of the conference: A. Supporting Obama to be the Obama for whom we (and tens of millions of others) thought we were voting. B. The campaign for a Global Marshall Plan. C. Israel/Palestine. D. The building of a true network of spiritual progressives. We are holding the conference in the middle of the week partly so that you can go to Congress, partly to coordinate with Christian Witness for Peace,which will hold its prayer session on the evening of April 29, and the Sojourners' conference, and partly to make it possible for people who have to be in their synagogue or church on the weekend to be there with us during the week. Don't let money hold you back: while we can't subsidize your travel or accommodations, we can reduce the registration fees for anyone who needs that reduction, so please don't let the money be the obstacle, because I want and need you there. I would much prefer to lower or even waive the registration fee if that is the only way you can afford to come. But we can't do that at the door-you need to contact us by the end of March with such a request. Help us spread the word to everyone in your religious community and in your professional or civic or social change organization, as well as to your neighbors, friends, and everyone on your email lists. Also tell anyone you know in college or graduate/professional schools, including young people who are the children of your friends. Would you like to lead a small group discussion about how to strengthen our NSP Global Marshall Plan campaign at the conference, or a group discussing how to do local organizing around our ideas? Let Will know what skills or experience you have in doing something like that-send to Will@Tikkun.org 6. Join or start a chapter. Join and activate an existing NSP chapter if there's one you like. Is there no local chapter in your area? Or did the chapter that got formed turn you off? Create a new one if there isn't one in your community or if the one that does exist feels like it's not going to be able to give you what you need. If you went to one and found that the people were not really energized to do something that excited you, this might be a time to help us recreate the chapter in your area or create a second one that would explicitly focus on the activities YOU choose to make happen. To help in this, please read my article about some of the problems we've faced in building the NSP. The article will be on our website under Current Thinking at NSP www.spiritualprogressives.org. 7. Or, forget about the "chapter form" and create a monthly gathering of progressive religious or spiritual leaders in your community across denominational or religious lines. How? Well, you could write a letter to every clergy person or every church, synagogue, mosque, and ashram that you find listed under "churches" or "religious organizations" in your community. Tell them about our New Bottom Line and our ideas for a Global Marshall Plan. Tell them we're creating a safe place for spiritual progressives to get together and brainstorm, and then invite them to your apartment at a particular time and date (don't worry, if you send out a hundred such letters, you can expect a return of at most 5 percent or five people, so your apartment will not be too small for the first meeting). 8. Run a fundraiser for the NSP, maybe as small as an evening in your home in which you ask people to pay $20 to help support the GMP. Or create a concert or some other fundraising event, or approach people with money or money connections to get them to use that money or connections to help fund NSP. 9. Challenge the media: send a daily email, or even better (because more effective, since people now understand how easy it is to just send an email) a snail-mail letter to media people. Your letters could challenge how the media agencies are handling the issues of the economy, Israel/Palestine, the GMP, etc., or they could insist that the reporters consult and quote people from the NSP. You are hereby delegated to speak in our name, once you've read and agreed with the Spiritual Covenant with America, the Global Marshall Plan, and our New York Times ad, and once you've joined the NSP as a dues-paying member. We have great lists of media people to contact at our websites. And you can also write to your elected officials, frequently! If you can't figure out what to write, consult www.spiritualprogressives.org, and we'll have prototypes of the kinds of letters that need to be written. 10. Invite friends, neighbors, coworkers, etc. to come to your house some evening or weekend afternoon to watch some of the videos introducing people to the NSP perspective, and then get them to join (and write the check on the spot). 11. Send to your (or your friends') children or grandchildren a letter urging them to become (unfortunately unpaid) interns at our Berkeley, California, office for one academic year (September-June). Click on "Jobs" at Tikkun.org to learn more. And meanwhile, send them a gift subscription to Tikkun magazine (order it at www.tikkun.org). 12. Use your phone for Tikkun/NSP. We need people to make phone calls to welcome new people to our community, to find out why some specific people didn't renew their subscriptions or memberships, and to just keep in touch informally. You could be the caller from your phone if you're willing to pay the costs of long-distance calls. 13. Join. If you haven't joined NSP yet, or haven't renewed your subscription to Tikkun (or never did subscribe), please do so now at www.spiritualprogressives.org. Well, perhaps you have other ideas about what NSP needs. Again, DO IT-make it happen without depending on me or on much staff time. Not because you don't deserve it, but because we don't have it to give (at least at this historical moment). If you need specific advice, or to get materials from us, email pete@tikkun.org or will@tikkun.org-they will help. Help make this whole NSP thing happen in such a way that whether I am alive or not (though God willing, I will be), whether I am a leader or not, the whole thing is sustainable and sustained-in short, make me personally irrelevant. Take the ideas and make them YOURS. If you need my help, watch the videos of me talking about these ideas (on our NSP website www.spiritualprogressives.org) or get a group of people together to read or re-read The Left Hand of God (for American politics) and Healing Israel/Palestine (for Middle East politics). And finally, spread as much love, generosity, kindness, forgiveness, and joyful celebration of the grandeur and mystery of the universe (or as I would put it, of God) as you possibly can! If you can do any of this, this cancer will turn out to be, like so much of life, a blessing in disguise. And if you can pick up the work in any of the above ways, I'll be able to do the thing that is hardest for me: step back, and that in turn will enable me to spend more time writing and teaching, and more time developing my own inner spiritual resources. What a gift you'd be giving to me! Meanwhile, I thank God for all the opportunities I have been given to learn, to teach, and to serve, and ask forgiveness from you personally Jasmine for the ways that I may have failed you or offended you in the past. 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URL: http://lists.netonecom.net/pipermail/cpaod-discuss/attachments/20090211/f7a9fd7b/attachment-0001.htm From jsailing at netonecom.net Wed Feb 11 15:30:20 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Wed Feb 11 15:30:29 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] New Cnidarian Writings Message-ID: <4993355C.3080805@netonecom.net> They aren't on the web site yet. I'll let you know when they are (you know me, though, I'm slow). I wrote a tract, a sermon, and now a thesis as well. The only thesis currently on the site is the one by Dr. Cr*pman. The running theme between all 3 of these is, rather unsurprisingly, Destruction (the name of the new Tract). By which I mean human destruction of the world we inherited from the Jellyfish. I'm having fun with my thesis: "Cnidaria, as Compared to House Rentals. A Paragorical Thesis." It's a layman's guide to understanding Cnidaria in a very mundane and human fashion. And, yes, I did seriously mean to say Paragorical. I'm not quite done with it yet, but if anyone wants to see an rtf before it gets around to going on the site... just let me know! Possible new initiates are, of course, particularly welcome to request it. ;) It's about 5 pages long in a Word Perfect document (font size 12, Times New Roman, single line spacing), so it is not short. -- @ Jasmine Sailing @ The Blasted One @ jsailing@netonecom.net @ @ Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no Apostate. I may have been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice man-made things. This seems appropriate in this day and age, when man-made things have overly consumed so much of nature. @ @ http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/jsailing @ From jsailing at netonecom.net Wed Feb 11 17:41:46 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Wed Feb 11 17:41:55 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] New Cnidarian Writings In-Reply-To: <9541794.1234384481745.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <9541794.1234384481745.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <4993542A.30308@netonecom.net> Sidenote: As of the writing of this thesis, the Sacred Flamethrower will henceforth be known as The Righteous Flamethrower of Vengeance. *shrug* It seems an important distinction. ;) -- @ Jasmine Sailing @ The Blasted One @ jsailing@netonecom.net @ @ Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no Apostate. I may have been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice man-made things. This seems appropriate in this day and age, when man-made things have overly consumed so much of nature. @ @ http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/jsailing @ From jsailing at netonecom.net Thu Feb 12 15:06:51 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Thu Feb 12 15:06:59 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] [Fwd: From Inside Film] Message-ID: <4994815B.2000703@netonecom.net> I loved this comic book... haven't read it since my early 20s, but it was a beauty. I'd actually been thinking a lot about re-reading it over the past couple of months. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: From Iside Film Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:54:19 -0500 From: Bruce Young To: jsailing@netonecom.net You can watch a preview of /From Inside/ on the movie's website and read the blog John has kept throughout the project. The film is currently traveling the animation and film festival circuit, and not surprisingly, scooping up a number of awards. See the News section of his site for the screenings schedule. -- @ Jasmine Sailing @ The Blasted One @ jsailing@netonecom.net @ @ Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no Apostate. I may have been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice man-made things. This seems appropriate in this day and age, when man-made things have overly consumed so much of nature. @ @ http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/jsailing @ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.netonecom.net/pipermail/cpaod-discuss/attachments/20090212/1070fc2f/attachment.htm From jsailing at netonecom.net Fri Feb 13 14:29:55 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Fri Feb 13 14:30:05 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] From Inside In-Reply-To: <26578114.1234469249857.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <26578114.1234469249857.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <4995CA33.3030300@netonecom.net> Everyone's so amazingly chatty right now. ;) (I'm chatty because I'm DEPRESSED. Always seems to work that way.) I finally looked at the web site. I really hope From Inside manages to show here. After the HORROR of being dopey enough to watch V For Vendetta, it'd be nice to see one that the creator had control over (good ol' serious control freak control in this case, all the better). I do still have the comic book (right on my shelf of most of my favourites, I was lovingly noting it there just a couple of months there)... I can almost envision myself loaning it to Ron and Peggy... ;) (Probably Gordon, too.) I reviewed it in CPAOD. Can't recall which issue. Early on, I would guess. That was a few lifetimes ago. -- @ Jasmine Sailing @ The Blasted One @ jsailing@netonecom.net @ @ Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no Apostate. I may have been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice man-made things. This seems appropriate in this day and age, when man-made things have overly consumed so much of nature. @ @ http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/jsailing @ From chris at robotmandala.com Thu Feb 19 12:51:44 2009 From: chris at robotmandala.com (Chris whY) Date: Fri Feb 20 16:04:23 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] FFF References: <26578114.1234469249857.JavaMail.root@m03> <4995CA33.3030300@netonecom.net> Message-ID: <004101c992ba$bbbb5ac0$170fa8c0@ceres> What ever happened to/with Full Force Frank? I just stumbled across his patch and it made me curious.. -St whY From jsailing at netonecom.net Mon Feb 23 10:58:17 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Mon Feb 23 10:58:45 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] FFF In-Reply-To: <3028159.1235163890810.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <26578114.1234469249857.JavaMail.root@m03> <4995CA33.3030300@netonecom.net> <3028159.1235163890810.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <49A2C799.5010506@netonecom.net> Chris whY wrote: > What ever happened to/with Full Force Frank? I just stumbled across > his patch and it made me curious.. I dunno. There's been rumours... but I haven't heard anything. Well, I mean I haven't heard anything substantial. I always think about him when solicitors come to my door. At the last house I had a police sniper (or something of the sort) sticker he'd sent me on the door. I wonder if I have another of those around here somewhere... I was paranoid for a long time that if I tried sending a letter to him, someone pretending to be him would get it. So I would not want to say much more than "Hey, what's up" and that would not be very worth responding to. ={ Of course I am a very nice, warm, and loving person, so it's silly to think I could possibly say anything worthy of being paranoid about. -- @ Jasmine Sailing @ The Blasted One @ jsailing@netonecom.net @ @ Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no Apostate. I may have been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice man-made things. This seems appropriate in this day and age, when man-made things have overly consumed so much of nature. @ @ http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/jsailing @ From avantpop at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 08:02:51 2009 From: avantpop at hotmail.com (Mike Hemmingson) Date: Wed Feb 25 08:02:58 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] FFF In-Reply-To: <49A2C799.5010506@netonecom.net> References: <26578114.1234469249857.JavaMail.root@m03> <4995CA33.3030300@netonecom.net> <3028159.1235163890810.JavaMail.root@m03> <49A2C799.5010506@netonecom.net> Message-ID: I've been slowly working with Griffen Films on a movie about him. Not fatual or a doc, but based on him, a psycho killer FFF, abused by his father. He's not that myth he made of himself. We tracked him down in Florida via his cell phone -- he is on AIM. He works as a street vendor to tourists. He wasn't happy when we contacted him via AIM and knew who he was. ;) Interstingly enough, this producer contacted me in 2006 and said he has read NICE LITTLE STORIES when he was 19 (when it cane out) and it warped his brain. "You have no idea how much those stories damaged my psyche," he said. Now, he wanted to hire me! Ha! A major investor pulled out on the start up company and fucked things up but he is doing a slashed version of one of my scripts (re-setting it in China) for Amblin, it'll be crap but will get investment for FFF. Anyway, it made me wonder how many other minds I warped with that book. Nice that NICE made me some H'wood money, tho. That $25,000 back then was much needed. I could use it NOW. Hey, the "new" Olympia Press is re-issuing my old of print Blue Moons, six came available last week, some with those classic plain green and red covers, see some at: mhemmingson.wordpress.com Three more in a few weeks. With those, I am having like 18 books out this year. Crazy. Feel like Barry Malzberg here -- and that is one of the books, too, a monograph on Malzberg. Others:crtical book on Vollmann (McFarland)Collection of novellas (Dybbuk Press)book on Gordon Lish (Routledge)bibliography on Vollmann (Scarecrow Press)meta-crit cultural study of blogging (Cambridge Scoholars)book of autoethnographic essays (Cambridge Scholars)paperback of Zona Norte (Borgo Press)monograph on colonialism in Star Trek (Wayne State U Press)interviews with Wim Wenders (Lexington Books)The Stripper (Borgo) -- now outAuto/ethnographies (Borgo) -- now outThe Yacht People (Borgo) -- now outTroublesome Trollops and Sultry Strumpets (Wildside) - storiesBad Karma & Kinky Sex (Olympia Press) - now outThe Amatuers (Olympia) -- now out Michael Hemmingson > Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 08:58:17 -0700 > From: jsailing@netonecom.net > To: cpaod-discuss@mailman.netonecom.net > Subject: Re: [Cpaod-discuss] FFF > > Chris whY wrote: >> What ever happened to/with Full Force Frank? I just stumbled across >> his patch and it made me curious.. > > I dunno. There's been rumours... but I haven't heard anything. > Well, I mean I haven't heard anything substantial. I always > think about him when solicitors come to my door. At the last > house I had a police sniper (or something of the sort) sticker > he'd sent me on the door. I wonder if I have another of those > around here somewhere... > > I was paranoid for a long time that if I tried sending a letter > to him, someone pretending to be him would get it. So I would > not want to say much more than "Hey, what's up" and that would > not be very worth responding to. ={ > > Of course I am a very nice, warm, and loving person, so it's > silly to think I could possibly say anything worthy of being > paranoid about. > > -- > @ Jasmine Sailing @ The Blasted One @ jsailing@netonecom.net @ > @ Me, I'm still just a heretic. I'm no Apostate. I may > have been born a Pagan Heathen, but I only sacrifice man-made > things. This seems appropriate in this day and age, when > man-made things have overly consumed so much of nature. @ > @ http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/jsailing @ > > > _______________________________________________ > Cpaod-discuss mailing list > Cpaod-discuss@mailman.netonecom.net > http://lists.netonecom.net/mailman/listinfo/cpaod-discuss _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live?: Discover 10 secrets about the new Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!7540.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_t2_ugc_post_022009 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.netonecom.net/pipermail/cpaod-discuss/attachments/20090225/822ca69f/attachment-0001.htm