From jsailing at netonecom.net Thu Jan 8 09:50:28 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Thu Jan 8 09:50:42 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Porn bail-out Message-ID: <496612B4.5010804@netonecom.net> Ron sent this to me instead of the list (sheesh, Ron, heh). http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/01/07/porn-industry-seeks-federal-bailout/#more-34724 I would think this argument is self-defeating because it makes something else very clear. If people are too depressed for sex, porn will still be okay. It's the prostitutes we need to worry about! With sex not happening, they're the ones who would be going out of business. How could human civilization possibly survive without prostitutes? -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From toxbs at yahoo.com Thu Jan 8 10:27:30 2009 From: toxbs at yahoo.com (Bruce Young) Date: Thu Jan 8 10:27:38 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Porn bail-out In-Reply-To: <496612B4.5010804@netonecom.net> Message-ID: <296304.71417.qm@web31507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I support some kind of voucher program... Bruce "Do you take 3rd party, postdated, out of state checks?" Young --- On Thu, 1/8/09, Jasmine Sailing wrote: I would think this argument is self-defeating because it makes something else very clear. If people are too depressed for sex, porn will still be okay. It's the prostitutes we need to worry about! With sex not happening, they're the ones who would be going out of business. How could human civilization possibly survive without prostitutes? -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.netonecom.net/pipermail/cpaod-discuss/attachments/20090108/79a18f16/attachment.htm From jsailing at netonecom.net Thu Jan 8 10:46:54 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Thu Jan 8 10:47:08 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Porn bail-out In-Reply-To: <7859095.1231428838725.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <7859095.1231428838725.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <49661FEE.9030005@netonecom.net> Bruce Young wrote: > I support some kind of voucher program... > Bruce "Do you take 3rd party, postdated, out of state checks?" Young > We probably need some kind of mandatory cash bin collection for the prostitutes. Officials can go door-to-door collecting the proper amounts from each household. And this way, enthusiastic consumers who are too depressed to be in the mood can even throw in a little extra cash if they feel like it! -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From ronaldhowerton at comcast.net Thu Jan 8 12:28:36 2009 From: ronaldhowerton at comcast.net (ronaldhowerton@comcast.net) Date: Thu Jan 8 12:28:47 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Porn bail-out Message-ID: <010820091728.21642.496637C40009226F0000548A220702293302019B9D0A9901080B040E02019D@comcast.net> I'll be more than happy to do my part to help! :-) -------------- Original message -------------- From: Jasmine Sailing > Bruce Young wrote: > > I support some kind of voucher program... > > Bruce "Do you take 3rd party, postdated, out of state checks?" Young > > > > We probably need some kind of mandatory cash bin collection for > the prostitutes. Officials can go door-to-door collecting the > proper amounts from each household. And this way, enthusiastic > consumers who are too depressed to be in the mood can even throw > in a little extra cash if they feel like it! > > -- > Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament > Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado > http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo > Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! > Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Cpaod-discuss mailing list > Cpaod-discuss@mailman.netonecom.net > http://lists.netonecom.net/mailman/listinfo/cpaod-discuss -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://lists.netonecom.net/pipermail/cpaod-discuss/attachments/20090108/03557668/attachment.htm From chris at robotmandala.com Wed Jan 14 00:05:41 2009 From: chris at robotmandala.com (Chris whY) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:12:00 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] to the fiery raiin References: <010820091735.98.496639710008822D00000062220702293302019B9D0A9901080B040E02019D@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001a01c97605$c1507780$040fa8c0@armada> think i'm just checking out. can't get a break. no love., no sex, no acid, no hope. thanks for nthe best memories. might turn up in nola, if i get that far. much love. From chris at robotmandala.com Wed Jan 14 00:07:17 2009 From: chris at robotmandala.com (Chris whY) Date: Wed Jan 14 11:13:31 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] also Message-ID: <002001c97605$faa744f0$040fa8c0@armada> no answers. this will never be spoken of again, if I do survive. finis. From jsailing at netonecom.net Fri Jan 16 13:05:54 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Fri Jan 16 13:06:02 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] In God We Trust (all others pay cash) In-Reply-To: <13046161.1231436425236.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <13046161.1231436425236.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <4970CC82.4060600@netonecom.net> ronaldhowerton@comcast.net wrote: > > Poll is still open so you can vote. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10103521/ > I'm curious to know where the results are right now, but they don't have a convenient apathetic "I don't care" vote option. ;) Honestly it's never been anything I've worried about. They are coins... they have a lot of different things on them... I just kind of spend them, and leave it at that (barring when I keep some around because I liked the pictures of the moment and I'm compulsive). I suppose it depends on how generically people look at the "In God We Trust". If that's an offense to other religions, then it is technically a violation of religious freedom. If any religion can look at that and choose to interpret it in a way that relates to their own beliefs, then it isn't. If it said "In Christ We Trust" it would be a lot more of an issue, because there are obviously plenty of non-Christian religions in the country. God is a somewhat generic term... maybe it offends people who very adamantly prefer "In Goddess We Trust", and can't shrug and reword it on their own. I don't feel like the word "God" automatically implies a male anthropomorphization, so it doesn't immediately flare up my indignant female sensibilities. ;) I suppose the main people who would find it offensive are those who got hurt by religion and rebelled against it. People who are just plain Atheists probably wouldn't pay a whole lot of attention... maybe if their faith in science is so strong that they find religion deeply offensive. In which case science is their God, even if they haven't realized it. ;) Bruce was wondering if he could stop antibiotics recently, so I asked what strongly believed theory his Priest of Dentistry had to offer him. ;) Anyway, I'm curious. I would rather leave the voting to people who have very solid feelings on the matter, in either direction. So if anyone who had very solid feelings on the matter wants to fill me in on the current tallies, please do. I don't care which way any particular person voted (though hearing strong opinions in either direction is always interesting), since people should always go with their own personal beliefs on things like that. (Note: I think is different from, say, bringing Bibles into schools. That involves specific religion, which in turn can infringe on the beliefs of people in other religions. That's why I'm saying to me it would depend on whether the word God, generic though it is, is offensive to some religions. That's probably a bit of a semantics debate.) It was Dwight D. Eisenhower who made "In God We Trust" a motto and had it added to paper currency. He was a Presbyterian (by choice, not genetically). His parents were part of whatever was the forerunner of Jehovah's Witnesses (can't recall the name back then, I can pretty easily look it up if anyone cares) and he chose to not continue to be a part of that. I can't deny feeling like exiting the Jehovah's Witness camp is something of a step up. Though I've never had the heart to say anything like that to any of the sweet lil' ol' JW ladies who make the recruition rounds. One of these years I want one of the obnoxious JW recruiters to come to me, so I can get it all out of my system. ;) -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From jsailing at netonecom.net Fri Jan 16 14:59:41 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Fri Jan 16 14:59:50 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] In God We Trust (all others pay cash) In-Reply-To: <12085572.1232129246663.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <13046161.1231436425236.JavaMail.root@m03> <12085572.1232129246663.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <4970E72D.9080708@netonecom.net> You know what vote option we really need there... Change it to "In Jellyfish We Trust". It's enough to think "Jellyfish are God" and leave it at that. But, y'know, it would be a nice gesture. ;) Can anyone really come up with a good reason to not trust in Jellyfish? No matter which way you want to look at it, there are jellyfish in the oceans and anyone should be able to believe that. Unless they're too terrified of oceans or ocean lifeforms to accept their existence. They need not believe in any specific other types of jellyfish, they need only believe in or trust in Jellyfish in any way, shape, or form. I could even say "I Trust in all of the rubber and plush Jellyfish icons I have around my house to sit there being rubber and plush Jellyfish icons". Recent Jellyfish moments. When we had the house appraised, Bruce wanted me to take down the huge plush Jellyfish I had hanging off a light in the middle of the room. Many a Cnidarian enjoyed walking through that and getting petted by its Cnidocytes. I asked Bruce "What? Are you trying to tell me it isn't normal to have a big Jellyfish hanging in the middle of your living room?!". HE had to take it down (he is unclean, he is keeping his beard cropped very short out of fear). I contented myself with the fact that I really needed to spend some quality time with it and a lint brush anyway, it had gotten pretty dusty. When I was at the Little Fyodor and Babushka abode for their New Year's Day party, I noted they had the same yellow/green/ orange rubber Jellyfish icon hanging from their chandelier that I have hanging over the main section of my tropical houseplant forest. Good, good. It'll only be a matter of time before houses will appraise for less if they don't have Jellyfish in them. -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From mont.segur at yahoo.com Fri Jan 16 15:25:30 2009 From: mont.segur at yahoo.com (Montsegur) Date: Fri Jan 16 15:25:38 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] In God We Trust (all others pay cash) In-Reply-To: <4970CC82.4060600@netonecom.net> Message-ID: <15052.88223.qm@web58808.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Good old Ickypooper, he certainly wanted to be sure that America had faith. One would think the 125,000 American dead who fell under his command in Europe should have been more than enough grim confirmation of any expressions of faith he was seeking ... --- On Fri, 1/16/09, Jasmine Sailing wrote: > From: Jasmine Sailing > Subject: Re: [Cpaod-discuss] In God We Trust (all others pay cash) > To: "Discussion About CP-ish Topics" > Date: Friday, January 16, 2009, 10:05 AM > ronaldhowerton@comcast.net wrote: > > > > It was Dwight D. Eisenhower who made "In God We > Trust" a motto > and had it added to paper currency. From chris at robotmandala.com Sat Jan 17 21:16:17 2009 From: chris at robotmandala.com (Chris whY) Date: Sun Jan 18 01:38:34 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] In God We Trust (all others pay cash) References: <15052.88223.qm@web58808.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002d01c97912$c063fbc0$040fa8c0@armada> I consider atheism to be a firm trust in one's own "godhood." I have found that the translations of the word, and concept, "God" across the world and the spectrum aren't all that different. My offense at "in God we trust" being inscibed on money comes from two places: One, that the people who mostly seem to control money worship IT as their god, and Two, that the people who inscribe it there seem to come from a very small, fixed percentage of the number of people who recognize any "God" at all. I'd be less offput by it if muslims, hindus, native americans, zoroastrians, even scientologigists and (gasp) mormons were in the position to decide that such an inscription were to be placed on currency. Having it placed there by people who worship MONEY more than a spiritual deity they claim fealty to is the true obscenity. -St whY From jsailing at netonecom.net Sun Jan 18 11:47:10 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Sun Jan 18 11:49:15 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] In God We Trust (all others pay cash) In-Reply-To: <31761946.1232261050216.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <15052.88223.qm@web58808.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <31761946.1232261050216.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <49735D0E.6020703@netonecom.net> Chris whY wrote: > One, that the people who mostly seem to control money worship IT as their god, > Some religions have a way of being offensive. ;) That would almost fall into the clause of being hurt by religion, but fortunately a lot of religions are the opposite... very charitable. Right now I'm pissed off at money-grubbing bastards because of all of the raise freezes going on. I'm sure plenty of companies out there legitimately need to do this. I'm also sure plenty are using the bad economic situation as an excuse to screw their employees, in a time when their employees might be too scared of their own financial stability to say "screw you" and look for a new job. I tell ya, it makes me grind my haughty indignant teeth. > and Two, that the people who inscribe it there seem to come from a very small, fixed percentage of the number of people who recognize any "God" at all. > Yeah. That's why I thought I should note, after all of my comments about how vague and open to translation God is, that it was a white Presbyterian (but at least not Jehovah's Witness, heh) US President who put that motto there. So obviously we know which particular interpretation of God was being referred to there, as if that wouldn't be obvious anyway. I'm not sure if my own part-Christian nature would make me more or less sensitive about that. Not enough either way, apparently, since I'm giving this a grand "*shrug* Eh, I could easily see it going either way so I want to see what the people who care the most decide"". But I was both hurt and helped by religion, and that always gave me a sense of balance (I think). It's easy for me to think "Whatever feels right for people, as long as it isn't used to abuse others". > I'd be less offput by it if muslims, hindus, native americans, zoroastrians, even scientologigists and (gasp) mormons were in the position to decide that such an inscription were to be placed on currency. Well, I dunno, can we leave scary cults out of it? ;) I have an innate distrust for cults that intimidate people into being sucked in and then abuse them. (I know this is a "Well, duh" kind of statement, since this has always been obvious about me.) Part of it is because I've known people who were really messed up by it, part is that when I was an impressionable kid I heard stories from my Mom about things like her bleeding to death and getting prayed over when she really needed to be taken to a hospital. She was taken to one, in the end, but if she had been something like a Jehovah's Witness (no blood transfusions allowed, no matter what the circumstances) or Christian Science she would've died and I would've never been born. Not that a lot of people couldn't argue for the merits of me never having been born. ;) Personally, I tend to appreciate it that I was. I don't object to any specific religions. What I object to is people being corrupted by power and using religion as a weapon to subjugate and abuse people. If I thought THOSE types were responsible for "In God We Trust" being on coins, maybe I would be hissing and spitting and dashing over to vote "take it the Hell off". But that attitude of mine is actually a pretty religious attitude, and I've always understood that. If I didn't respect religion I would gripe about "abusive power-hungry fascist pieces of shit who exploit people without any concern for anything but their own gain" (which I'm happy to ALSO do, heh) and not about the abuse and disgrace of religion aspect. Because I do respect religion, it bugs me when individuals make religion look bad. At least I've always had the grand pleasure of making a lifelong psychological study of myself. ;) Fwah. BTW, we're all showered up and going to an Episcopalian Church this morning. After showing Amara the Blatty Exorcist films, and various other odds and ends, she wanted to see a Priest. (Just SEE one, not go up and talk to one.) Out of social considerations I would rather go to an Episcopalian Church (going to the main cathedral, specifically) first, let her have the wishy-washy liberal spin-off of Catholicism before taking her along to the Basilica or whatever. I absolutely LOVE cathedrals, and I do really really want to go inside the Basilica (never been in, I used to be afraid I was a heretical apostate and would be stricken down... more recently I've realized that actually I'm only heretical and not an apostate -- I was never claimed by a particular religion, except Cnidaria of course, to be capable of being an apostate -- and that I unknowingly committed sacrilege by taking Communion without having ever been baptized. If that didn't poison me, I think I can respectfully walk into any Cathedral I want without too much fear of being stricken down. Which isn't to say I haven't been nervous and breaking a sweat about doing this today, especially when I know I'm going to stand out because I can't join the Communion line. That makes me feel like I might as well wave a "Hi, I'm a heretic, pleased to meet you" flag). Since Amara has been inundated with Catholicism via fiction, I was careful to explain to her that at an Episcopalian Church she might see such shocking and outlandish things as a female Priest. ;) I also gave her the run-down of the political splits from Roman Catholic to Anglican to Episcopalian, and told her that they all still follow the same Apostolic Successions (the US Episcopal Church had Apostolic Successions via both England and Scotland... we're going to an English one, but it would be fine with me if we went to a Scottish one. I'm part Scottish!). Whereas I'll walk in with respect today, when I walked into the Mormon tabernacle last year (I admit they have a pretty Church) I rebelliously brought in coffee and took a big swig. See how I am? ;) Anyone who has been to a Cnidarian Sermons has seen how flagrantly disrespectful I'm capable of being... not that I haven't had qualms about some of the things I've done. Let's just say my own safe copy of the Book of Mormon is in Japanese kanji... I like the aspect of it being written in kanji enough for it to be safe in the House of Cnidaria. It's actually pretty easy for me to walk into St. John's with respect today. A week ago they ordained a "partnered lesbian" Priest there. Good ol' Denver... Despite that, we seem to be nervously watching the clocks now. I'm anxious. Amara is anxious. Bruce is calmly playing a video game (meanie, I'm jealous). We leave in another hour. I'm gonna go smoke and pace now. ;) -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From jsailing at netonecom.net Sun Jan 18 16:41:44 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Sun Jan 18 16:44:00 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] In God We Trust (all others pay cash) In-Reply-To: <13137563.1232297573390.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <15052.88223.qm@web58808.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <31761946.1232261050216.JavaMail.root@m03> <13137563.1232297573390.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <4973A218.4060403@netonecom.net> Yay. No one wapped me on the head with a sceptre (though there were some sceptres awfully close to me and I was a bit nervous) and said "Begone, Foul Spirit!". About all that happened was the people behind us noticed our obvious awkward twittiness and were nice and inclusive and welcoming. Amara thought it was cool and pretty and interesting and fun. Good, good, my aim was to choose well aesthetically, and take her to a ceremony worth watching (as opposed to something she would doze off or get restless during... I remember getting taken out to the car to get spanked for crying in Church more than I remember actually being IN Church... except the puppet shows for the kids, heh, I do remember that too... of course Amara would have different standards as a teenage art student). Of all the Sunday options there, we went with Rite I Choral. Since it was an aesthetic excursion, traditional language seemed more appropriate than contemporary and choral seemed more interesting than spoken word only. It was a little tight, though, running from that Church to the Go Club Church. I'm skipping the club today (tired from running a youth tournament yesterday), but Bruce and Amara were still going (are there right now). I'm sitting around reading spiritual pagan fiction to round out my eclectic day. ;) -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From jsailing at netonecom.net Sun Jan 18 21:12:17 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Sun Jan 18 21:14:33 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Bob Larson! Take the Demon Test! Message-ID: <4973E181.2040505@netonecom.net> I think I had nearly had the pleasure of forgetting about him! He seems to be in Arizona now, though still with a Colorado cell phone #. This wasn't a "speaking of wacko cults", I did a +Excorist +Blatty search and this was the first link that popped up at me. http://www.boblarson.org The exorcist picture was too funny. Bruce and I took The Demon Test. I took it first, and Bruce watched so he can vouch for it that I answered honestly. My score... 30. "You are at high risk for demonic oppression/ possession!" (Screamed in read letters.) Bruce was next. I walked away in case I would make him less inclined to be honest. His score... 12. "You are at low risk for demonic oppression/possession." I had to laugh. Only 12, even by Bob Larson standards?! I told him to get out there and do some demonic things. ;) He put his arms up and intoned "Satan!" and I quickly said "No, not that one, any one but that one". (One question is "Have you ever offered your life to Satan in exchange for anything?". Obviously I can't allow St. Young to do that! His life is MINE, heh.) He pointed out that this proves why he's good for me. With his low risk of demonic possession, he'll be unpossessed and of sound mind when my possession needs to be dealt with. I realized, yeah, he's like the designated driver... when we were calling him the chaperone at Death Equinox we didn't realize he was the one who needed to be there in case the rest of us suddenly wound up possessed (which was probably not altogether unlikely there!). We'll have to call Bruce our 88% unpossessable rock. In case it was necessary (no, it wasn't) I told him when I'm possessed I'm okay with him getting help from a Catholic priest but NOT from Bob Larson. ;) -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From jsailing at netonecom.net Sun Jan 18 21:24:02 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Sun Jan 18 21:26:14 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Bob Larson! Take the Demon Test! In-Reply-To: <17954289.1232331668832.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <17954289.1232331668832.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <4973E442.8070801@netonecom.net> Hrm. I should put together a score card of some of the Cnidarian Streets and Drives on the Demon Test, just to prove that Mr. Larson is a very impure and unCnidarian individual. I know I wouldn't be the only high risk Street amongst us. I'll point out that St. Young's low risk score is necessary, due to his 88% Unpossessable Chaperon status. -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From jsailing at netonecom.net Sun Jan 18 22:17:29 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Sun Jan 18 22:19:44 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Outlawing Profanity Message-ID: <4973F0C9.8030602@netonecom.net> (Yeah, I'm chatty today.) Ron steered me to this one, too: http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F14%2F1522214&from=rss I wound up reading all of the responses because I wanted to know if, even in a thread like this, no one would be able to use the word "cunt" (extreme circumstances, y'know). I finally found ONE person who did, most of the way down the page. When I showed Amara The Exorcist (I wasn't comfy with it, but she was already asking to see even worse things... and she'd seen a lot of odes to The Exorcist... it was a compromise), after the bit where Regan's Mom is asking the shrink what she could've said that was so shocking, he finally said "Keep your fingers away from my Goddamn cunt", and the Mom had the same reaction that most of the viewing audience was no doubt having: "...oh..." ... after that scene I paused. I told Amara that if she'd happened to catch it, there was a 4 letter word beginning with c that, for reasons I've never quite grasped, is considered the WORST word. I warned her that many people who normally aren't bothered by profanity are bothered by that one, so she should be very careful about saying it. That was when I began to develop a nasty headache from showing her that movie. Yeah, I'll publish a book with it in the title... but if I'm talking to my precious sweet angel girl it's "a 4 letter word beginning with c". ;) (But that was the book everyone called *Boy anyway. It was always interesting how much stores would struggle and fail to be able to say it while ordering it.) -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From mont.segur at yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 01:32:10 2009 From: mont.segur at yahoo.com (Montsegur) Date: Mon Jan 19 01:32:39 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] In God We Trust (all others pay cash) In-Reply-To: <4973A218.4060403@netonecom.net> Message-ID: <249034.90454.qm@web58805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Heh. I like to sit in cathedrals on off days when only a couple of others are present and just soak in the architecture. In the town of Wissembourg, France, the cathedral has a cupola with red windows on three sides. From inside, the effect is that the cupola interior is bathed with rose-colored light. Shades of the Rosicrucians. --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Jasmine Sailing wrote: > From: Jasmine Sailing > Subject: Re: [Cpaod-discuss] In God We Trust (all others pay cash) > To: "Discussion About CP-ish Topics" > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 1:41 PM > Yay. No one wapped me on the head with a sceptre (though > there were some sceptres awfully close to me and I was a > bit nervous) and said "Begone, Foul Spirit!". > > About all that happened was the people behind us noticed > our obvious awkward twittiness and were nice and inclusive > and welcoming. > > Amara thought it was cool and pretty and interesting and > fun. Good, good, my aim was to choose well aesthetically, > and take her to a ceremony worth watching (as opposed to > something she would doze off or get restless during... I > remember getting taken out to the car to get spanked for > crying in Church more than I remember actually being IN > Church... except the puppet shows for the kids, heh, I do > remember that too... of course Amara would have different > standards as a teenage art student). > > Of all the Sunday options there, we went with Rite I > Choral. > Since it was an aesthetic excursion, traditional language > seemed more appropriate than contemporary and choral seemed > more interesting than spoken word only. > > It was a little tight, though, running from that Church to > the Go Club Church. I'm skipping the club today (tired > from > running a youth tournament yesterday), but Bruce and Amara > were still going (are there right now). > > I'm sitting around reading spiritual pagan fiction to > round > out my eclectic day. ;) > > -- > Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament > Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado > http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo > Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! > Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Cpaod-discuss mailing list > Cpaod-discuss@mailman.netonecom.net > http://lists.netonecom.net/mailman/listinfo/cpaod-discuss From mont.segur at yahoo.com Mon Jan 19 01:35:37 2009 From: mont.segur at yahoo.com (Montsegur) Date: Mon Jan 19 01:36:00 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Outlawing Profanity In-Reply-To: <4973F0C9.8030602@netonecom.net> Message-ID: <101239.73042.qm@web58808.mail.re1.yahoo.com> hmm, a four letter word beginning with "c" . . . oh, yeah, "crap" How synchronistic. I spent my lunch hour in the library last week reading about exorcisms that have been performed. Must be demon-spawn-time all over. --- On Sun, 1/18/09, Jasmine Sailing wrote: > From: Jasmine Sailing > Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Outlawing Profanity > To: "CPAOD- Discuss" > Date: Sunday, January 18, 2009, 7:17 PM > (Yeah, I'm chatty today.) > > Ron steered me to this one, too: > http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09%2F01%2F14%2F1522214&from=rss > > I wound up reading all of the responses because I wanted to > know if, even in a thread like this, no one would be able > to use the word "cunt" (extreme circumstances, > y'know). I > finally found ONE person who did, most of the way down the > page. > > When I showed Amara The Exorcist (I wasn't comfy with > it, but > she was already asking to see even worse things... and > she'd > seen a lot of odes to The Exorcist... it was a compromise), > after the bit where Regan's Mom is asking the shrink > what she > could've said that was so shocking, he finally said > "Keep your > fingers away from my Goddamn cunt", and the Mom had > the same > reaction that most of the viewing audience was no doubt > having: > "...oh..." ... after that scene I paused. > > I told Amara that if she'd happened to catch it, there > was a 4 > letter word beginning with c that, for reasons I've > never quite > grasped, is considered the WORST word. I warned her that > many > people who normally aren't bothered by profanity are > bothered > by that one, so she should be very careful about saying it. > > That was when I began to develop a nasty headache from > showing > her that movie. > > Yeah, I'll publish a book with it in the title... but > if I'm > talking to my precious sweet angel girl it's "a 4 > letter word > beginning with c". ;) (But that was the book everyone > called > *Boy anyway. It was always interesting how much stores > would > struggle and fail to be able to say it while ordering it.) > > -- > Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament > Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado > http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo > Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! > Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Cpaod-discuss mailing list > Cpaod-discuss@mailman.netonecom.net > http://lists.netonecom.net/mailman/listinfo/cpaod-discuss From jsailing at netonecom.net Mon Jan 19 11:12:13 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Mon Jan 19 11:11:30 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] In God We Trust (all others pay cash) In-Reply-To: <16645208.1232347241728.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <16645208.1232347241728.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <4974A65D.50100@netonecom.net> Montsegur wrote: > In the town of Wissembourg, France, the cathedral has a cupola with red windows on three sides. From inside, the effect is that the cupola interior is bathed with rose-colored light. Shades of the Rosicrucians. > JEALOUSY. I keep telling Bruce I have really really really always wanted to get out to Europe to look at all of the old cathedrals. (Well, SOME of them, unless I have tons of travel time.) The architecture is so great. Maybe what started me off on that kick as a kid was a building in Telluride (small town in the Southern Colorado mountains) with gargoyles. I was really young (somewhere down in the single digits, but over 5) the first time I saw it. When we next went to Telluride I was most looking forward to seeing the gargoyle building again. ;) After that I read a book about the symbolism worked into gothic architecture, which conveniently also included lots of pretty pictures. Obviously a lot of them were cathedral pictures -- interior and exterior. I always admired the old cathedrals I saw in this country, and even a lot of the little old churches are terribly cute or pretty (often enough on our road trip last year I would blurt out "OH, THAT'S a neat-looking Church!"). It's hard not to admire them... that's why I even had to admire the Mormon one in Salt Lake City and take a bunch of pictures. ;) "Back off! Don't even dare convert me after I'm dead! But pardon me while I take photos of your pretty Church..." ;) Of course all of the REALLY nice old ones are in Europe, so it's always been one of my big dreams to go see some of them. I don't suppose you have any pictures, so I can drool at those while I dream? ;) I'll be good and drool on pictures instead of leaving puddles on the floors of actual cathedrals. ;) We do have some decent ones here (most of the mid-west cathedral budgets seem to have flocked to Denver). I really do need to get into the Basilica. I suppose I have something more of a dread about Catholics after all of my tanglings with them in my youth (I just seemed to attract Catholic youths, and vice versa, I even briefly lived with a Catholic police Sergeant because his Catholic School daughter was my best friend at the time and I had nowhere else to go) so I've sat there wobbling wistfully by the Basilica for too many years. The Episcopalian cathedral isn't as old as it could be, sadly. Someone burnt down the original one (arson), and this one was built in, I think, about 1903. It's still pretty, though. I guess they're having an anniversary celebration of laying the first cornerstone next weekend. There's a cute little one downtown, I should get around to finding out what it is. Right after I turned 14 and had a brief Summer back in Denver, I worked a hotdog cart right next to it. So I spent many bored hours staring at it, but I couldn't leave my cart unattended. I'm like this with houses, too. I like the old houses with souls (by which I mean, with something put into their building ... not just some slats hastily cobbled together... all of those 70s onward old housing developments always looked too ugly and identical to me). We keep moving to newer houses every time, as we move further east every time. We can't go any further east now... it'd be an ugly house AND too close to Aurora. ;) First we were in a Victorian in Capitol Hill, then we were in a Craftsman in Congress Park, now we're in a cute Tudor in Mayfair. Cities will be pretty sad-looking when all of the old buildings are gone. ={ -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From jsailing at netonecom.net Mon Jan 19 11:26:22 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Mon Jan 19 11:25:42 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Outlawing Profanity In-Reply-To: <12724795.1232347241914.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <12724795.1232347241914.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <4974A9AE.6020805@netonecom.net> Montsegur wrote: > hmm, a four letter word beginning with "c" . . . oh, yeah, "crap" > Heh, yeah! Nah, actually she's heard that one too many times for it to have crossed her mind. You can say crap on TV and on youth forums these days, so I guess it isn't even a bad word anymore. Right after I sent that post, I walked into the kitchen. Bruce and Amara had just returned from the store and were in there. I saw Amara eating a chocolate-frosted doughnut of some sort, and asked Bruce if that was a single doughnut or if there were more. It proved to be the only one, so I said "You're an evil, sadistic, bastard Bruce". Amara laughed. Then I had a good inward chortle about having gone straight from talking about that being the "4 letter word starting with a C" to saying something like that in front of her. My, aren't people impressionable. ;) > How synchronistic. I spent my lunch hour in the library last week reading about exorcisms that have been performed. Must be demon-spawn-time all over. > Maybe it's the holidays. Either the connotations of the holidays, or watching frantic shoppers act possessed for the holidays... -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From stvj at suddenlink.net Mon Jan 19 11:28:35 2009 From: stvj at suddenlink.net (stvj) Date: Mon Jan 19 11:28:48 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] In God We Trust (all others pay cash) In-Reply-To: <4974A65D.50100@netonecom.net> References: <16645208.1232347241728.JavaMail.root@m03> <4974A65D.50100@netonecom.net> Message-ID: <8B2EEE1A598C46459EF2A5DB6C4AB8EC@stvjPC> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jasmine Sailing" To: "Discussion About CP-ish Topics" Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [Cpaod-discuss] In God We Trust (all others pay cash) > We do have some decent ones here (most of the mid-west cathedral > budgets seem to have flocked to Denver). As my foggy memory allows ;) the great thing about Denver churches is that after they've outlived their usefullness, they get turned into nightclubs. That should be an added condition of religion's tax exemption status -- no interfering in the political process via the pulpit, and oh, BTW, after you get finished with the building it hosts a nightclub. From jsailing at netonecom.net Mon Jan 19 12:04:53 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Mon Jan 19 12:04:25 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] In God We Trust (all others pay cash) In-Reply-To: <30192046.1232382563756.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <16645208.1232347241728.JavaMail.root@m03> <4974A65D.50100@netonecom.net> <30192046.1232382563756.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <4974B2B5.6090501@netonecom.net> stvj wrote: > As my foggy memory allows ;) the great thing about Denver churches is > that after they've outlived their usefullness, they get turned into > nightclubs. Heh, that's right... we did drag our addled possessed crowd there... (But Bruce was with us, so it was okay. Though I very foggily remember him needing to chase me up the street during one of my possessed moments.) Or maybe we tried to go there and wound up at Onyx, which is now something else (I went to a show there, at whatever it is now, a couple of years ago and recognized the seating... I think that's actually where I wandered off from, but I could also be thinking of multiple years, going to different clubs in different DE years, and who can ever truly remember anything from Death Equinox... those had to be the most fun lack of memories in my entire life, heh). From what I've heard The Church isn't worth going to anymore (and has probably been too thoroughly puked all over by now). I think it's more solidly turned into a trendy yuppified club, which it already had been with the exception of one night a week. We do also have a lot of nice old theatres. Some have, from time to time, housed some great music shows (they were converted into event venues). Some are still Landmark theatres, and effectively pretty close to being the only movie theatres worth going to. I would just like to see old historical buildings preserved. I'll admit my automatic thought when Baghdad was being bombed was "No! The history! The grand old buildings!" and then I remembered "The people!". -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net From chris at robotmandala.com Thu Jan 22 12:55:15 2009 From: chris at robotmandala.com (Chris whY) Date: Thu Jan 22 13:36:34 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Outlawing Profanity References: <12724795.1232347241914.JavaMail.root@m03> <4974A9AE.6020805@netonecom.net> Message-ID: <005d01c97cba$95de87c0$040fa8c0@armada> Because my roommate is a truly foul-mouthed bastard (love ya anyway, T) I wound up having a talk with my eldest stepdaughter about foul language. I simply explained that there is no such thing as a bad word, but there are some words that it takes a lot of growing up and experience to learn how to use properly. I explained that there are people who will get angry and upset if they EVER hear certain words, and that even those of us that use them will get angry and upset if we hear them used incorrectly. That seemed to work. Having T yell "suck my cock!" loudly, more than once, around the kids kinda precipitated a talk about foul language. But he's actually an amazingly excellent step-uncle-ish dude (he's better with kids than I am, actually) and all is good. Thankfully, the girls are young enough that the true significance of his utterance did not need to be discussed in specific. I'm just not ready (or legally allowed) to keep a shotgun in the house. From jsailing at netonecom.net Fri Jan 23 10:30:09 2009 From: jsailing at netonecom.net (Jasmine Sailing) Date: Fri Jan 23 10:30:22 2009 Subject: [Cpaod-discuss] Outlawing Profanity In-Reply-To: <22240223.1232649749925.JavaMail.root@m03> References: <12724795.1232347241914.JavaMail.root@m03> <4974A9AE.6020805@netonecom.net> <22240223.1232649749925.JavaMail.root@m03> Message-ID: <4979E281.7070603@netonecom.net> Chris whY wrote: > Because my roommate is a truly foul-mouthed bastard (love ya anyway, T) I wound up having a talk with my eldest stepdaughter about foul language. Funny... in the past my daughter had some problems with various aspects of language that would come up when your roommate was over visiting, too. ;) I'm used to saying a lot of "heck" and "gosh" and "darn". I still need to do that, because I work with kids, so much so that I finally even catch myself saying such things with a soft voice when I'm alone, but at least around Amara I'll wind up saying "shit" or something sometimes. She's quite old enough, but she was always more offended by such language. So, out of respect for that, I tried to keep everyone mellow enough around her. Hard to teach her to be careful and respectful of other people on the matter if I can't do the same with her. Griffin and I had a lot of exposure to my step-dad, so there was no point in worrying about either of us. > I'm just not ready (or legally allowed) to keep a shotgun in the house. > Amara's 13 now. Rifles are loaded. ;) Or maybe they already were loaded because a guy at my Go club who liked younger girls had my hackles up. Fortunately he's gone. No rifles or the bottoms of cliffs involved, I wasn't aware of anything happening that quite warranted that, just a lot of hissing and spitting and baring of claws on my part. Bruce is trying to talk Amara into going out to a range to learn to shoot rifles (on another topic... or is it?). He has a little rifle that his parents gave him as a Christmas present when he was 4, so she could handle that one. She's loathe to do it, though, if she doesn't decide on her that she's up for it I won't let him be too pushy about dragging her there. I didn't face my fear of guns until I was in my early 20s. Then again, maybe she should get used to them before I'm following her around with a loaded rifle. ;) -- Te wo Tsunaide '08: A Pair Go Tournament Saturday, December 6th, in Boulder Colorado http://cyberpsychos.netonecom.net/PairGo Also home of the Te wo Tsunaide photo archive! Contact: Jasmine Sailing, jsailing@netonecom.net